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Hi, Has anyone used the adoption attorneys, Kirsh & Kirsh, from Indy? We are thinking about going with them once our year is up with our current agency.

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We’ve consulted w/ them but ultimately decided not to use them…email me if you want ~ Tracy

Posted by tracyweis on Feb 18, 2012 at 5:28am

Same here.  I explored their website, had a brief email exchange with them, got a bad feeling from them. Did not go with them.  Also, they appear to be anti-choice, if that is important to you.  They’ve authored articles that use language that is unsupportive of reproductive rights and confirmed that when I questioned them about it.

Just today I talked with an adoptive parent who used them last year.  They didn’t produce any leads for them and charged $7000.  He felt they were slick and sales-y.

Posted by KirstenMartyAdopting on Feb 18, 2012 at 2:43pm

oh my - wow, hadn’t read these when I posted on a duplicate thread asking this question. I was not aware of their stance on choice and reproductive rights. That would be a concern for me going forward.

Posted by Beccaric on Feb 20, 2012 at 11:58pm

I attended a seminar they hosted to get information about adoption.  I stayed after to ask a few questions.  The man who did the hosting (I can’t remember which Mr. Kirsh was there that day), was rude, hurtful, and demeaning when I approached him.  I nearly chose to not pursue adopting at all based on the things he said to me.  Thank goodness I had friends that told me to ignore him and move on!  I am now a mother to two beautiful adopted daughters.  I’ve thought more than once about going back to him and telling him how wrong he was!

Posted by tkc on Mar 01, 2012 at 3:03am

We did not use them, but we would have if we had gotten a referral of an expecting mom looking to place in Indiana.  Since I’m from Ohio, but have family in Indiana, we were going to use them if we got a referral from anyone in Indiana.  They met with us for no charge at their office, spoke to us individually for over an hour and were super nice.  We told them we were doing all networking on our own and they explained that then the costs would be significantly lower (in fact lower then any agency or attorney in Ohio).  We got matched in Ohio, so we just used our Ohio attorney.  I whole-heartedly would trust Kirsch and Kirsch with any future adoption opportunities if they arise for us in Indiana.  I’ve also had a friend from Indiana adopt a 5 year old boy and Kirsch and Kirsch fought for them to adopt this child and went to court multiple times to assist in the adoption, when no other attorney would take the case in the state of Indiana.

Posted by amom on Oct 22, 2012 at 10:22pm

There are two sides to every coin.  We elected to use Kirsh & Kirsh to grow our family.  Having experienced a successful International adoption in Guatemala and having the country abruptly stopping the process while we decided to adopt another child, we elected to look domestically.  Being in Ohio, we had two recommendations come from friends, one attorney in California and one in Indiana – Kirsh & Kirsh.  After interviewing with the two firms, we elected to go with Kirsh & Kirsh. 

Steve Kirsh laid out the program they offered, the fees that were involved, the fact about the birth-mother and that she has the right to say no to the adoption at the very last second, and ALL of the risks and heart ache that may come with the open adoption process.  These discussions are driven by facts and years of experience.  This discussion is blunt and to the point and I can see some people feeling taken aback by them; however, the discussion and expectations of what will happen are real.

Our initial interview with selected birth-parents went extremely well.  After returning home and finding out that we were selected to be the adoptive parents can not be expressed in written words.  When you get he call – it is awesome!  This joy would soon turn to sadness when we received the call and were told that the child would not be placed for adoption and would be raised by the birth mother.  The comforting call from Steve and his staff made this heart wrenching moment bearable.  He did remind us that he told us this could happen – and it did. 

Only a few months later, we received “the call” again.  We were selected to be the adoptive parents of a child to be born in several months.  The circumstances that were involved with our adoption; the young birth parents, the trip planning, and ultimately the state of Indiana and Ohio laws for adoption were nerve wracking.  With all that was going on in the background, Kirsh & Kirsh was there by our side and definitely earned our respect for all that they do.

As you select the “open” adoption process, keep in mind that your “family” will grow.  We are blessed with a phenomenal birth mother and family that keep in tough with “our” child.  This new family can seem strange to others; however, it is your family and you make it what it is!  We count our blessings and are thankful to the staff at Kirsh & Kirsh.  They are looking out for your best interest!  Trust the process…….it works!

Posted by Ohio Family on Oct 22, 2012 at 11:09pm

We are currently in the adoption process with Kirsch. We have found the process to be straightforward and easy, other than the waiting part! They do have different levels of service, but are up front about that. They are always a phone call away (We live in-state, but not in Indianapolis) if I have a question. They were willing to work with our homestudy agency in our town.

They do cross their t’s and dot their i’s…and if that came across as slick to someone, that’s a misconception. They are thorough…and after 30 years, you would hope they would be! We have close family friends who have adopted from Kirsch (twice each) and had no concerns whatsoever. You can ask their four children!

Posted by feagley4 on Oct 23, 2012 at 12:05am

We use Kirsh and Kirsh 10 years ago to adopt our oldest son.  We turned in our dear birth mother letter in early January of 2002 and were matched with a birth mother in February.  She decided to parent her baby, but we were matched again in just 3 weeks and our son was born on April 26, 2002.  They were extremely professional, took the entire situation extremely seriously, and well, we got a beautiful baby boy who is now 10 years old.  It actually makes sense to me that lawyers who specialize in adoption would be pro-life.  But I am very pro-life as well, and adopting two children has solidified that belief even further.  Regardless of their views on abortion, they are very good at finding babies for couples to adopt, and for handling the process from start to finish.  In my opinion, if you’re looking for adoption attorneys, this is what matters.  They honestly are the best at what they do.

Posted by mom to two fabulous boys on Oct 23, 2012 at 1:00am

Kirsh and kirsh are phenomenal! We have adopted both of our boys from them in 2008 and 2010. We were treated with the upmost respect, and received almost immediate responses to all my questions throughout the process! It is such an amazing feeling to know that EVERYTHING in the adoption process was handled perfectly. Despite moving, if and when we adopt again it will be with kirsh and kirsh!

Posted by Rene719 on Oct 23, 2012 at 1:54am

We adopted our newborn son four years ago via Kirsh and Kirsh.  They were wonderful!  They met with us personally from the beginning and were very helpful each step of the way. I recommend their services to everyone I meet who is considering adoption.  They did not come across as “slick” to us but were very up front about everything.  We were so pleased with them that we have offered to be a reference for anyone who would like to speak to us about our experiences.  We have also adopted a little boy from Guatemala through an international agency (before we knew about Kirsh and Kirsh) and when there were paperwork errors, Kirsh and Kirsh helped us smooth those out as well.  If we ever adopt again they will be our choice for services. You will not go wrong with Kirsh and Kirsh.

Posted by Shoshannah on Oct 23, 2012 at 1:54am

We have used Kirsh and Kirsh twice before and are currently using them to help us adopt baby #3!  My husband and I had spent years trying to find the right agency/alternative when we decided that adoption was the right option for becoming a family for us.  We spent over a year with a religious organization before being recommended to the Kirsh and Kirsh firm.  I will never forget the first call that I had speaking with Steve Kirsh. We felt like we finally had found a firm that really cared about the adoption process.  I myself am adopted so the care put forth to both the birth parents and the adoptive parents were crucial to us in finding an agency/firm to work with.  We have found Kirsh and Kirsh to be an extemely bright, helpful,  family oriented office full of people and we are so happy to be able to work with them.  Not only have we adopted our two beautiful boys through Kirsh and Kirsh but as stated above, we are on the list once again for adoption number three. We have recommended them to a few of our very close friends and to be honest, I would recommend them to anyone that was looking for a wonderful adoption experience.  I have the family to prove it.

Posted by l.hadashi on Oct 23, 2012 at 3:15am

I am writing this from the other side of things.  I am a birth mother.  While I was trying to decide if adoption was the answer for me I looked at numerous agencies. A few of them made me feel like they were only interested in talking to me because they wanted my baby. When I made the appointment to speak with Kirsh & Kirsh I was very leary about what would happen. From the moment I met Joel I was at ease and knew it was a good decision.  Their agency provided me with alot of support that I needed.  It’s not an easy choice for a mother to do this and I never once felt alone or like I didn’t have options. The family I picked to “share” my daughter with is amazing!  We have a very open adoption and the love we all have for our daughter is amazing.  She is truly lucky to have so many people that love her.  None of it would be possible without Kirsh & Kirsh.

Posted by JCamp on Oct 23, 2012 at 4:47am

My two children are now 20 and 18 years old. We adopted them at 3 weeks and 5 days via Kirsh and Kirsh.

Getting through teens is tough and adopted children have their own issues to deal with on top of their raging hormones. An open adoption would have been a great way forward. But from my adoption circles they are the exception rather than the rule (by choice of the birthmother generally). I’d say the issues around helping young people make the transition from child to adult are far greater and more complex than the “simple” adoption process, at least as we experienced it with Steve and Joel. The adoption process through them was smooth, open and professional. They were a great pleasure to deal with.

Posted by MarkM on Oct 23, 2012 at 5:31am

MIRACLE’S REALLY DO COME TRUE!!

We signed on with Kirsh and Kirsh in Jan,2009 and after working with another reputable agency for close to two years I received “the call” in March, 2009 that my husband and I had been waiting for. Unfortunately, the birth mother chose to parent and we were devastated. Kirsh and Kirsh is a family run business and that really shows in the way we were treated. I called after hours to speak to Steve Kirsh and he took an hour to talk to me and calm me down. In July, 2009 we were informed that we had been selected by another birth mom of a child due in Sept,2009. Our daughter is now three years old and I thank God every day that her birth mother found her way to Kirsh and Kirsh. They were the link that connected as all and made the dreams of my husband and I come true.

Posted by pookie on Oct 23, 2012 at 7:33am

I read a few of the posts and I usually do not spend the time and post my comments or thoughts, but I felt like I had too.  My wife and I went through the international adoption process and used several different agencies and when that got stalled, we looked into domestic adoption.  K&K was the best.  They are honest and direct what they can do and what parents should expect.  Please do not read these other reviews about people calling them and writing negative statements about a phone call.  K&K managed our expectation, found the perfect birth parents, we have the perfect son and I honestly can say I had VERY high expectations and they exceeded them.  I highly recommend them and while they are not inexpensive, the service and process was truely first class.  Feel free to email me if you want to discuss our experience further as I agree with many of the other people that replied and worked with K&K, i cannot imagine our lives without our son and they made it all possible.

Posted by prunde1 on Dec 25, 2012 at 1:31am

We had heard of Kirsh & Kirsh’s excellent reputation for years, and had met several couples that had used their services.  When we made the decision to expand our family through adoption, they were our first choice.  From our first initial meeting to follow up visits to show off our adopted son, the entire staff was amazing.  They truly are a family run business, and you experience that from the very beginning.  What can be a very emotional journey with many turns; Steve, Joel and staff were all by our sides the entire time and provided the words and encouragement we desperately needed.

We have begun the adoption process again.  Not only are we anxious to add to our family, we sincerely look forward to working with the entire staff once again.  We know we are in good hands and they are always looking out for our best interests.  The level of experience and professionalism is bar none.  Contacting Steve and Joel Kirsh was one of the best decisions we ever made, and will most likely be yours as well.

Posted by tobyringle on Apr 24, 2013 at 1:50am

I know this thread is old but in case anyone new reads it Kirsh and Kirsh are wonderful. Steve and his staff are professional and very caring. We have used them three times and I would highly recommend them!

Posted by Samsmommy on Jul 22, 2013 at 10:27pm

After reading the reviews people gave Kirsh and Kirsh, I felt rather encouraged that they might be a good fit for our adoption needs. Then when their email responses back to me about costs were evasive and directed me to buy their DVD, I felt rather put-off. If you want my business, you will tell me up front what you charge for an adoption. There are so many different agencies and the costs vary so drastically, that if I have to pay to learn whether you are going to charge me $15,000 or $45,000, I am just going to go with the agency that tells me FOR FREE that they will only charge me $15,000!

Posted by Divest Daisy on Mar 23, 2014 at 12:09am

I’m surprised by some of the comments.  My husband and I began researching adoption agencies two years ago.  Every time we walked into one or attended a seminar we instantly became overwhelmed.  That was until we met with Kirsh and Kirsh.  Joel instantly made us feel welcome.  Everyone in that office has been so helpful, caring and truly genuine as we embark on this process.  For anyone who is considering adoption, I encourage you to take Kirsh and Kirsh up on the free consultation.  We knew the minute we left their office that this group of people were going to help us start our family!  We couldn’t be happier and more excited about beginning this process with them!

Posted by Mandos79 on Sep 04, 2014 at 7:30pm

I would only use kirsh and kirsh. I went with a different group had my heart broken and lost lots of money! These people know their stuff! They call you back and email you. They are compassionate and understanding about both sides of adoption. We drove from nc to get our baby and it was so worth it! They let you know every month how your adoption is going and how they are doing. It’s the best call to hear you moved up or someone is still looking at you. I can’t say enough how wonderful they are. They are a family business making dream families come true. Good luck to you!

Posted by Sarahlarue on Sep 04, 2014 at 7:56pm

After many discouraging meetings with agencies in our home state, we decided to talk with Kirsh and Kirsh. They were the first adoption professionals we encountered who were encouraging, though not falsely so.
We worked with them twice, each time having a beautiful experience in adopting each child. We got to know the birth mom of each child and they also had a good experience with Kirsh and Kirsh. Each woman was treated with respect and not pressured, which was very important to us.
On our end, we do not live in Indiana so needed to do the court proceedings in Indiana and then again in our home state. The proceedings in Indiana went quickly and smoothly, though by then we knew that they are fabulous at what they do so expected no less.
But when they filed the paperwork in our home state, we were floored to learn that that all went smoothly as well. Our social worker told us that it was the first time ever that paperwork has not been returned for one detail or another. We were impressed.
We were impressed with their knowledge, their manner with us and the birth families, and with their kindness all the way around. Going through an adoption is such a stressful time, filled with uncertainty, but they helped us along. We are grateful to them every day for all they did to help us build our family.

Posted by KarmaMomma on Sep 04, 2014 at 8:13pm

There is no way the first few posts on this thread are legitimate reviews.  My wife and I went through Kirsh and Kirsh and we were extremely happy.  They made a somewhat scary and unknown process very simple.  The entire staff was extremely nice and everyone was great about laying out the process and giving me the appropriate expectations.  Not once did I feel frustration or surprised by something throughout the process.  They gave me my daughter and even helped make it a special day for us.  A great place, with amazing people that clearly have big hearts and a passion for what they do.  They were definitely a blessing to my family and we are forever thankful and greatful.

Posted by josphif18 on Sep 04, 2014 at 8:13pm

I am a birth mother who used this agency to not only have two of my children adopted to great families my husband and I are now using them for a step parent adoption for my other children who my husband has raised but is not the father of. This agency is amazing and they never pressed any thing on me they always made it perfectly clear that my choice is my choice and they stood by any decision I made I never felt that my rights as a birth mother were pressed or guided in any way if you have questions about them I would be glad to answer them.

Posted by mrs.deedles on Sep 04, 2014 at 8:22pm

Funny how on October 22, 2012 ten people all gave positive reviews, and all but one of those people never posted prior or since. Now today five more positive reviews in under an hour, all of em first time posters.

Posted by JimGL33 on Sep 04, 2014 at 9:08pm

Jimgl33—I think it’s because loyal Kirsh and Kirsh fans discovered that people were putting misleading information on here about them. They are THE best people to help you with your adoption. We adopted 3 of our children with their help. I would get worried about one thing or another and would email Steve and he never seemed to be annoyed by my worry wart ways and he would email me back almost always within minutes, day or night. With our last adoption, we got the call that our baby was born 2 DAYS after getting them our homestudy and birthmother letter and we never waited more than 2 months with any of our kids. Their fees were reasonable and in line with everyone else’s and they were so honest that they actually sent us a check for $1500 a couple yrs. after we adopted because they hadn’t had to use all of the medical $ expected. Who does that??? only a totally honest and reputable person. Ignore the negative comments on here because they are not believable to me.

Posted by AnitaK on Sep 04, 2014 at 11:48pm

I am not sure where the negative comments such as “rude” and “slick”.  I find that very difficult to believe.  I have interviewed many agencies and Kirsh and Kirsh were by far the most professional, caring, and positive.  They are pro-baby first and foremost.  They are also pro-adoptive families and pro-birthparents.  We decided to go with them and they successfully united us with two wonderful set of birthparents who CHOSE us to parent their unborn baby.

Posted by JanDe on Sep 05, 2014 at 1:30am

“Jimgl33—I think it’s because loyal Kirsh and Kirsh fans discovered that people were putting misleading information on here about them.”
Posted by AnitaK on Sep 04, 2014 at 11:48pm

That may be true, but I doubt their “fans” all happened to come here clustered on the same day around the same time. What are the odds? I bet it would be very easy for someone (employee or friend of employee) to create accounts and post positive reviews.

The following review is from a regular poster here and I would put more weight on it then on any of the ones from Oct 22, 2012 or from today:

“I know this thread is old but in case anyone new reads it Kirsh and Kirsh are wonderful. Steve and his staff are professional and very caring. We have used them three times and I would highly recommend them!”
Posted by Samsmommy on Jul 22, 2013 at 10:27pm

Posted by JimGL33 on Sep 05, 2014 at 2:17am

Jim - the reason why they are all on the same day is because there was a fb post regarding the negative comments.  the clients of K and K read it and are connected on fb and because we are fans of K and K and have been so impressed by their outstanding service, we spread the word to each other.  To accuse the kirsh and kirsh staff of making up false names is ludicrous.  I am an adoptive mother who used them twice and my previous comment explains our experience.  other birthparents and adoptive parents of Kirsh and Kirsh are very connected via the web and that is why we immediately went on to comment.  I am not a regular blogger or commenter, but I would never accuse or suggest vile and dishonest behavior of someone else or an agency if I had zero evidence of it.  You should be ashamed of yourself.

Posted by JanDe on Sep 05, 2014 at 2:28am

Jimgl33 You sound like a bitter person. I’m not an employee of Kirsh and Kirsh and I’m not a “made up account”. I do question how legit the first few negative comments on this thread though.

Posted by AnitaK on Sep 05, 2014 at 2:29am

JanDe - I didn’t “accuse” anyone of anything vile or dishonest. I have nothing to be ashamed of and I have nothing to be bitter about. I’m guilty of skepticism. Your explanation of why the posts are clustered around the same time was helpful and makes sense, and I appreciate that. It doesn’t change the fact that most of the people posting the reviews have not contributed in any other way to this board. For me, the source of any review is important. Trusting a one-time poster is like trusting a stranger on e street.

It’s funny, AnitaK questions the legitimacy of the negative comments after calling me a bitter person for questioning the legitimacy of some of the positive ones.

Posted by JimGL33 on Sep 05, 2014 at 3:17am

I am a Birthmother and used Kirsh and Kirsh in 2013 to place my daughter for adoption. I was incredibly nervous about it, thinking it would be impersonal and judgemental.  I emailed them asking if they could help at all, and I got a reply a couple hours later informing me that they would be willing to come to me if I didn’t have transportation, which was unexpected. We were able to go to their office,  and it was very welcoming. He didn’t sit across from a desk, we sat together in a couch and chair type setting.  We spent about an hour talking, he made sure that we understood what we were doing and that we had plenty of options. We felt very comfortable with them. Their assistant and office workers even went above and beyond to help me make appointments and phone calls to be able to get medical care. The only thing I did not like about them was that once my daughter was born, the lawyer did get pretty impersonal—granted, he wasn’t my lawyer he was the parents’ lawyer, and he had to look out for their best interests at that point so it made sense. If I had ended up in the same situation aagin, I would DEFINITELY use Kirsh and Kirsh again, and would recommend them to anyone looking to adopt a child.

Posted by Birthmother2013 on Sep 05, 2014 at 11:35am

I agree with JimGL.  I certainly am more likely to believe someone who posts here regularly.  If all the new posters would like to stick around and comment on other threads and let us regular posters get to know you, then that would make these comments feel more legit.  It would also bring some fresh opinions to our group.

Posted by gqqfier15 on Sep 05, 2014 at 12:02pm

Just checking in to see if there are any recent experiences adoptive families or birth mothers are willing to share about their experience with Kirsh and Kirsh. I have spoken with adoptive mothers who had sucessful kirsh and kirsh adoptions years ago but I was hoping for some more recent experiences. Thanks!

Posted by TheDealsEst2012 on Dec 30, 2015 at 12:53am

The minute Grant of Kirsch & Kirsch we talked into our hospital room we knew we were in great hands.  His kind demeanor, solid experience and efficient communication smoothed the path towards completing our adoption.  Going in front of the judge was void of nerves and angst since equally kind and experienced Joel was by our side.  Thank you from.the bottom of our hearts for being a part of the village it has taken to build our family.  Love, Karla, Dave and baby Mac.

Posted by Kanderson on Oct 28, 2017 at 3:08pm

Entering into the adoption world, and making the choice to do so is never an easy thing to do, for both sides of the equation.  Our experience has been one of education, empathy, and exceptional treatment.  They just know what they’re doing - period.  You can tell there is a lot of love and it shows as it truly is a family run firm.  Without Kirsh and Kirsh we would never have found our amazing Birth Mother or become parents to our amazing little boy!

Posted by Chemmers325 on Nov 01, 2017 at 9:23pm

Entering into the adoption world, and making the choice to do so is never an easy thing to do, for both sides of the equation.  Our experience has been one of education, empathy, and exceptional treatment.  They just know what they’re doing - period.  You can tell there is a lot of love and it shows as it truly is a family run firm.  Without Kirsh and Kirsh we would never have found our amazing Birth Mother or become parents to our amazing little boy!

Posted by Chemmers325 on Nov 01, 2017 at 9:23pm

This has been a wonderful and seamless process!  The entire team has worked very well together and it shines through in every step of the way.  They provide realistic expectations, and their availability & follow-through has been unparalleled.  I cannot recall such an involved and serious process with anything I’ve ever done, and this has been made so easy with them.  It was an absolute pleasure to work with each and every one of the staff.  Sometimes you can see the business end with any sort of company, and sometimes there is no emotional connection - Kirsh & Kirsh were emotionally invested in our process, and it doesn’t go unnoticed.  I cannot thank them enough for our beautiful daughter!

Posted by benandbecky on Nov 13, 2017 at 5:03pm

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